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By Lenny Rachitsky · with Gia Laudi · lennysnewsletter.com · @lennysan on X · YouTube · LinkedIn
Gia Laudi, co-founder of the consultancy Forget The Funnel, explains why traditional marketing funnels fail recurring-revenue SaaS businesses and walks through her customer-led growth process. The conversation covers jobs-to-be-done research, mapping the customer journey into milestones with KPIs, and messaging and onboarding changes that improved conversion for companies like SparkToro.
01Key learnings
- Stop treating growth as ending at acquisition; for recurring-revenue businesses, retention, expansion and post-signup activation must be part of the growth model.
- Start by identifying your best customers: those who are happy, pay well, have an urgent problem, and signed up recently enough to remember life before your product.
- Survey recent best customers about the trigger moment, alternatives considered, must-haves, anxieties, and desired outcomes, then distill the patterns into one prioritized job to be done.
- Map the customer journey in a handful of milestones (problem, interest, first value, value realization, growth), and define a measurable KPI for each one.
- Find the specific product features that deliver first value for your best customers and push them to the front of onboarding, using proactive emails or checklists.
- Build a messaging guide grounded in customers' own language, ranking the value themes they say matter most, and use it across marketing, onboarding and copywriting.
- Create win-back experiences that re-engage users who stall at a milestone, since most users who log in once never return.
- Ground the research in recent customers and a few weeks of survey work rather than assumptions, since founders always learn something new about their customers.
“funnels are bad.”Georgiana Laudi · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:08:52
“people don't buy your product, they buy the better version of themselves”Georgiana Laudi · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:21:54
“It's about the values of the business, not the value to the customer that's being measured.”Georgiana Laudi · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:08:01
02Frameworks mentioned
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