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By Lenny Rachitsky · with Madhavan Ramanujam · lennysnewsletter.com · @lennysan on X · YouTube · LinkedIn
Madhavan Ramanujam, Senior Partner at Simon-Kucher & Partners and author of Monetizing Innovation, is a leading pricing strategist who has worked with hundreds of tech companies and many unicorns. The conversation covers willingness-to-pay research, segmentation, pricing strategy and models, behavioral pricing, and how to price during downturns, with practical methods for product teams.
01Key learnings
- Start willingness-to-pay conversations early, before building, because pricing is a measure of value and you can't avoid the pricing question, only choose when to answer it.
- Frame pricing questions relatively, benchmarking against a known product like Salesforce, since people give more meaningful answers on relative value than on absolute dollar figures.
- Use acceptable, expensive, and prohibitively expensive price probes to find psychological thresholds, which often show steep demand cliffs just above certain price points.
- Prioritize the roadmap by what drives willingness to pay, since roughly 20% of features often drive 80% of willingness to pay; use most/least exercises to find them.
- Segment by needs, what customers value, and willingness to pay rather than demographics or personas, and make sure you can productize differently for each segment.
- Choose the pricing model before the price: usage, subscription, or hybrid should depend on predictability of usage, value pattern, and whether you can reliably track the metric.
- Pitch benefits rather than features on pricing pages and sales materials, since customers buy outcomes and features alone rarely communicate value.
- During a downturn, avoid simple discounting; instead create a de-featured lower tier, use non-price concessions like longer terms or payment terms, or shift to a usage-based model.
“price is a measure of value. And when you think of it this way, it really stands for, do people actually want your product and…”Madhavan Ramanujam · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:00
“how you charge was the most important question. It was not the how much. The how much came about because of the how you charge.”Madhavan Ramanujam · Lenny’s Podcast · 01:01:09
02Frameworks mentioned
Willingness To Pay ConversationsLeaders, Fillers and KillersBehavioral PricingBreak-Even Pricing TestPricing Strategies: Skimming, Penetration, Maximization
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