Lenny’s Podcast · Podcast episode · PM career & craft · Leadership & management

Brian Chesky's secret mentor who died 9 times, started the Burning Man board, and built the world's first midlife wisdom school

Lenny Rachitskywith Chip ConleyAug 3, 202593 min▶ 17K
SourceLenny’s Podcast
KindPodcast episode
PublishedAug 3, 2025
Readers▶ 17K
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Chip Conley, former boutique hotelier who built Joie de Vivre and later joined Airbnb in his fifties as a mentor and head of global hospitality, reflects on intergenerational collaboration, working for founder-mode leaders, and building cultures. He also discusses his near-death experience and the Modern Elder Academy, a midlife wisdom school focused on transitions and reframing aging.

01Key learnings

  • When working for a founder, open meetings by aligning on the goal, what defines success, and what the meeting must accomplish, then return to those points when pushed off track.
  • Build credibility with demanding leaders by getting close to customers, such as visiting hosts in their homes, so your input carries weight in product debates.
  • Keep decks short and principle-focused so they still make sense when a combustible founder derails the meeting.
  • Understand a company's culture before accepting a role by asking for three to five adjectives describing it and whether leaders agree on the biggest cultural problem.
  • Value age diversity on teams: older brains tend to connect dots systemically while younger colleagues bring speed and focus, and both strengths are needed.
  • Show up with curiosity and positive energy; people notice engagement more than wrinkles, which keeps older professionals relevant in tech.
  • Frame résumé bullets as a thorny problem, the skills used to solve it, and the result, which works better in interviews than a list of roles.
  • Use regret-based reflection: ask what you will regret in ten years if you don't learn or do it now, and treat anticipated regret as a catalyst for action.
“I had to be both wise and curious, and often the dumbest person in the room.”Chip Conley · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:04
“Midlife is not crisis.”Chip Conley · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:55
“people won't notice your wrinkles as much as they'll notice your energy.”Chip Conley · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:45

02Frameworks mentioned

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