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By Lenny Rachitsky · with Deb Liu · lennysnewsletter.com · @lennysan on X · YouTube · LinkedIn
Deb Liu, former VP of product at Facebook (who built Marketplace, the mobile ads products, and games and payments businesses), with stints at PayPal and eBay, and now CEO of Ancestry and a board member at Intuit, discusses career growth for product people. The conversation covers owning your career like a product, building zero-to-one products inside large companies, growth as a game of inches, introvert visibility, and onboarding plans for new roles.
01Key learnings
- Treat your career like a product: write down what success looks like in five years, the milestones and skills needed, and measure each job decision against that goal.
- Keep balancing learning and impact; the expert you are today will be outpaced by someone still actively learning from the best and taking feedback.
- Treat setbacks as stepping stones; people who recover from hard feedback and failed products often become the strongest leaders.
- Building new products inside a big company has a high failure rate, so expect many iterations, protect early work from scrutiny, and be ready to prune or pivot.
- Growth is mostly many small improvements compounding; run a hypothesis backlog with sprint cycles so that even if most ideas fail, the team learns quickly and ships more.
- Introverts should treat self-review and visibility as educating managers and advocating for the team, not self-promotion, since good work that is not communicated can go unrecognized.
- Commit publicly to a recurring writing habit and enlist a manager or peers for accountability; write down ideas you repeat so you can share them more widely.
- For a new role, spend the first month listening (e.g., a listening tour), agree the 30-60-90 plan with your manager, and offer one concrete help to each person you meet to build trust.
“The most important career decision you make is who you marry.”Deb Liu · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:49
“Some of the best PMs I have ever worked with are terrible PMs for their career.”Deb Liu · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:11
“Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.”Deb Liu · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:59:34
02Frameworks mentioned
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