Lenny’s Podcast · Podcast episode · Product strategy & vision · Building AI products

How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI

Lenny Rachitskywith Eoghan McCabeAug 21, 202591 min▶ 53K
SourceLenny’s Podcast
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PublishedAug 21, 2025
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Eoghan McCabe, founder and CEO of Intercom, describes how he steered a late-stage SaaS business with stalling growth into an AI-first company built around its Fin agent. The conversation covers the turnaround's strategy, pricing shift to outcome-based fees, the top-down culture reset and resulting turnover, and his views on AI's impact on jobs and work.

01Key learnings

  • When growth stalls in a late-stage SaaS business, cut costs hard and pick one clear strategic lane instead of trying to serve every customer type.
  • Simplify and fairly price your product even at short-term revenue cost; McCabe gave away roughly $50M ARR to replace confusing pricing with simpler terms.
  • Price AI products on outcomes that align with customer value, like charging 99 cents per resolved ticket, rather than on the vendor's underlying costs.
  • Rewrite company values and tie quarterly reviews to them; McCabe hard-coded a formula that let go of people scoring low on both goals and behavior.
  • Expect significant turnover when resetting culture; McCabe estimated roughly 40% of employees left, and says the right people for the new direction are then hired.
  • Build AI capability with dedicated talent and younger AI practitioners, and accept that competing in AI requires an intense, high-effort pace.
  • Use reflection and personal development to lose defensive ego edges; McCabe credits long-term therapy with improving his leadership and communication.
  • Expect AI to disrupt most categories aggressively; organizations that don't adopt it risk being pushed out, so start by identifying what will disrupt your business.
“AI is going to disrupt in the most aggressive violent ways. If you're not in it, you're about to get kicked out of all of…”Eoghan McCabe · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:00
“I said, we need to become a wartime company. If we don't fight for this, we are dead.”Eoghan McCabe · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:33
“Part of the problem was the unfocused strategy, and then the other part of the problem was an unwillingness to frankly make bold decisions, say…”Eoghan McCabe · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:17:49

02Frameworks mentioned

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