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By Lenny Rachitsky · with Nilan Peiris · lennysnewsletter.com · @lennysan on X · YouTube · LinkedIn
Nilan Peiris, Chief Product Officer at Wise (the cross-border money movement company), discusses how Wise built word of mouth into its primary growth engine, which accounts for roughly 70% of new users. The conversation covers measuring word of mouth, using NPS to find the levers of advocacy, the discipline of building a 10x better product, and how Wise structures its global teams.
01Key learnings
- Measure word of mouth by simply asking new customers how they heard about you and overlaying that on attribution and direct-traffic data.
- Use NPS as a proxy for viral potential: moving promoters up the scale roughly doubles how many people each customer refers, so NPS gains compound.
- Read the verbatim NPS comments company-wide; Wise found customers repeatedly asked for lower prices, faster transfers, and easier use.
- Aim for a 10x better experience rather than incremental conversion gains, since recommendation requires delivering something customers didn't know was possible.
- Work backward from the ideal end state (theoretical minimum cost, maximum speed) and then plan the multi-year path to get there.
- Turn cost structure into a pricing advantage by allocating every operational cost back to the customers or routes that generate it, then lowering prices for the majority.
- Make the value customers receive visible: a simple savings graph on the success page, shown after a transfer, tripled the share rate.
“to get to recommendation, you're going to blow your users' socks off”Nilan Peiris · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:20:02
“You can't split test your way to love.”Nilan Peiris · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:39:47
“the thing that defines success is the speed at which you pick yourself up.”Nilan Peiris · Lenny’s Podcast · 01:14:20
02Frameworks mentioned
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