Lenny’s Podcast · Podcast episode · Product strategy & vision · Go-to-market & sales

Category creation and brand building

Lenny Rachitskywith Barbra GagoOct 27, 202268 min▶ 3,847
SourceLenny’s Podcast
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PublishedOct 27, 2022
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Barbra Gago is a B2B SaaS marketing leader who helped build Miro's global brand and visual collaboration category, and previously led go-to-market at Greenhouse and CultureAmp; she is now building Pando, an employee progression platform. The conversation covers when to create a new product category versus winning an existing one, the mechanics of category creation, rebranding, building brand and values, and designing opinionated software.

01Key learnings

  • Create a new category only when the scope is big enough to matter and you can see signals like emerging budget lines or buyer language; otherwise, win within the existing category.
  • Abandon category creation quickly if customers keep calling you by the existing category name, as Greenhouse learned with applicant tracking, and invest instead in elevating that category.
  • A category is only real once competitors and analysts validate it, so welcome new entrants who adopt your category label as proof it exists.
  • Build a category by listening to how customers describe their pain points, then pair PR and thought leadership with relationships with analysts and directories like G2 that shape how buyers classify products.
  • Rebrand early, after product-market fit but before scale, and keep visual nods to the original brand so loyal early customers feel respected.
  • Run a rebrand like a product sprint with clear owners and transparent steps, since naming, legal, domains, and collateral all have to move together.
  • Make brand an extension of company values and people, so every customer touchpoint expresses the brand without needing to train each interaction.
  • Keep company values short and memorable; overly long value lists are hard to remember and fail to shape behavior.
“When you're building a category, you need to make sure that there is a category that's validated by analysts and directory sites and things like…”Barbra Gago · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:00
“it's actually okay when new companies come in that say they're that category because it's just validating the fact that there is a new category.”Barbra Gago · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:09:21
“the more the brand is interchangeable with the people at the company and the company itself, the stronger it is, the more authentic it is.”Barbra Gago · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:39:24

02Frameworks mentioned

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