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By Lenny Rachitsky · with Boris Cherny · lennysnewsletter.com · @lennysan on X · YouTube · LinkedIn
Boris Cherny, head of Claude Code at Anthropic, discusses how Claude Code went from an internal side project to a major driver of software development and Anthropic's growth. The conversation covers his workflow, latent demand as a product principle, the spread of agentic AI beyond engineering, and how the roles of engineers, PMs and designers may converge.
01Key learnings
- Ship with minimal scaffolding and let the model choose tools and order of operations, rather than boxing it into rigid workflows; Boris says this beats heavy orchestration.
- Watch how people hack your product for purposes it wasn't designed for; that latent demand, like data scientists using a terminal for SQL, signals what to build next.
- Bet on the more general model over time instead of fine-tuning or tiny models, since scaffolding gains of 10-20% often vanish with the next model release.
- Build for the model six months out rather than today's capabilities, accepting poor fit early on, as Claude Code's growth inflected once newer models arrived.
- Give engineers generous token budgets early to encourage experimentation, and optimize costs only once a successful idea scales.
- Use plan mode for most tasks so the model proposes an approach before writing code, then let it execute once the plan looks right.
- Feed feedback channels like Slack or bug reports directly into an agent and respond fast, since rapid fixes make users feel heard and encourage more feedback.
- Experiment with agent tools early, become a generalist who crosses disciplines, and expect roles like software engineer and product manager to blur into 'builder'.
“I have never enjoyed coding as much as I do today, because I don't have to deal with all the minutia.”Boris Cherny · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:39:00
“My advice generally is, "Don't try to optimize. Don't try to cost cut at the beginning. Start by just giving engineers as many tokens as…”Boris Cherny · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:26:04
“I think by the end of the year everyone is going to be a product manager, and everyone codes.”Boris Cherny · Lenny’s Podcast · 00:00:44
02Frameworks mentioned
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